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par Serge » 03 Aoû 2008, 11:01
Pour les effets sur les synths... l'avantage d'un moog, ou tout simplement d'un synthé analo de ce type, c'est que tu n'as quasiment pas besoin d'effets. Ces synthés n'ont pas souvent de gamme de sons (preset), ils ont une fréquence, que tu modifies comme tu l'entends. Pour les effets, Disto/Reverb/Delay, la plupart étaient pourvus de ces modules.
En ce qui concerne le matériel studio, aucune idée. Cela dit ça ne changera pas grand chose, le plus important c'est d'avoir ce grain chaud et rond tout en restant bien synthétique, ces synthés te donneront ce son là.
En ce qui concerne le matériel studio, aucune idée. Cela dit ça ne changera pas grand chose, le plus important c'est d'avoir ce grain chaud et rond tout en restant bien synthétique, ces synthés te donneront ce son là.
- Serge
par Celebo » 03 Aoû 2008, 11:06
Uniquement des fréquences? Dans ce cas, on devrait pouvoir reproduire ces sons en synthèse sonore via un logiciel prévu pour ça (j'ai "étudié" la synthèse sonore la semaine dernière ). 'Fin remarque, non, trop compliqué : je suis un flemmard...
Mais comme je sais comment fonctionne la synthèse sonore, et que c'est le même principe sur un synthé, mais en analogique, avec des potards etc, y'a une chose de bien : je ne serai pas dépaysé, et je pourrai comprendre le tout rapidement =)
Roland Jupiter-8, j'en ai déjà entendu parler comme d'une valeur sûre.
). 'Fin remarque, non, trop compliqué : je suis un flemmard...
Mais comme je sais comment fonctionne la synthèse sonore, et que c'est le même principe sur un synthé, mais en analogique, avec des potards etc, y'a une chose de bien : je ne serai pas dépaysé, et je pourrai comprendre le tout rapidement =)
Roland Jupiter-8, j'en ai déjà entendu parler comme d'une valeur sûre.
- Celebo
par Serge » 03 Aoû 2008, 11:12
Il y a quelques VST en effet, et des très bons comme le minimoog V de Arturia par exemple, ou le Legacy de Korg que j'évoquais plus haut. Néanmoins, les très très très bons valent souvent le même prix (voire parfois ils sont plus chers ... 
) que les machines. Si tu te destines un jour pour le live, c'est quand même bien d'avoir au moins quelques machines et non pas que des VST.
tiens j'ai trouvé la liste du matériel du studio MUTE et du Studio de Daniel Miller :
INSTRUMENT 1
SYNTHS/KEYBOARDS
EMS Vocoder.
Korg DRV3000.
Korg Wavestation.
Novation BassStation.
Roland JV1080 (with Vintage voice card).
SAMPLERS
Akai S1100 (with 10Mb of RAM).
Emu E6400 (with 64Mb of RAM, 16-out output expansion and digital I/O expansion boards).
RECORDING
Alesis ADAT (x2).
Alesis Quadraverb multi-effects.
Amek Hendrix 56-channel mixing desk.
ATC200 monitors.
Brüel & Kjær 4006 mic.
Dbx 120x bass enhancer.
Drawmer DS201 dual gate (x4).
Dynaudio BM15 monitors.
Eventide H3000 & H3000SE pitch-shifter/multi-effects.
Focusrite dynamics processors (x2).
Joe Meek compressor.
Korg DRV3000 multi-effects.
Lexicon 300 reverb.
Lexicon PCM70 reverb.
Lexicon PCM80 reverb.
Mutronics Mutator filter bank.
MXR pitch-shifter.
Neumann U87 mic.
Otari DTR7 DAT machine.
Otari MTR12 half-inch stereo tape recorder.
Otari MTR90 2-inch 24-track.
Panasonic SV3800 DAT machine.
Rode NT2 mic (x2).
Roland SDE330 multi-effects.
Roland SRV2000 multi-effects.
Shure SM58 mic.
Summit tube dual preamp.
Symetrix Noise Reduction.
TC Electronic Finalizer mastering compressor.
TC Electronic parametric EQ.
TC Electronic TC2290 delay.
Valley People 610 compressor.
Yamaha NS10M monitors.
Yamaha SPX90 multi-effects.
COMPUTERS & SOFTWARE
Apple Mac Quadra 610.
Atari 1040ST.
C-Lab Notator.
Steinberg Cubase.
Steinberg Recycle.
MISCELLANEOUS
Syquest drive (44Mb).
Iomega Zip drive.
Kenton Pro2 2-channel MIDI-CV converter.
Novation DrumStation.
INSTRUMENT 2
SYNTHS/KEYBOARDS
Moog Minimoog.
Moog Prodigy.
Novation BassStation rack.
Oberheim Xpander.
Oberheim Matrix 6R.
Oberheim Matrix 1000.
Roland JV1080 (with Vintage voice card).
Roland PC200 MIDI keyboard.
Roland TB303 Bassline.
RSF Kobol.
Yamaha DX7II.
Yamaha SY35.
SAMPLERS
Akai S1000 with 10Mb of RAM (x2).
Lexicon Jam Man loop recorder.
RECORDING
Alesis 3630 stereo compressor.
Alesis ADAT digital multitrack (x2).
Altec 436b compressor.
Amek EQ (x4).
Amek Einstein 60-channel mixing console.
BSS DPR402 stereo compressor.
Crane Song STC8 compressor.
Drawmer DL221 compressor.
Drawmer DS404 noise gates (x4).
Dynaudio M2 monitors.
Eventide H3000 pitch-shifter/multi-effects.
Neve 33135 mic preamp/EQ (x2).
Panasonic SV3800 DAT machine.
Roland SDE3000 multi-effects.
Studer A80 MkIII tape machine.
TL Audio 4-channel signal processor.
TL Audio EQ2 valve parametric EQ.
Yamaha NS10M monitors.
Yamaha REV7 multi-effects.
Yamaha SPX990 multi-effects.
COMPUTERS & SOFTWARE
Apple Mac Quadra 610.
Atari 1040ST.
C-Lab Notator.
Steinberg Cubase.
Steinberg Recycle.
DRUM MACHINES
Novation DrumStation
Roland TR808 drum machine
MISCELLANEOUS
Kenton Pro2 MIDI-CV converter
POST-PRODUCTION SUITE
COMPUTERS & SOFTWARE
Apple Mac 9600/350MHz (with 64Mb RAM, 2Gb internal hard drive & Iomega Zip drive).
Digidesign DPP1 Digital Pitch Processor.
Digidesign DVerb Delay.
Digidesign Pro Tools 24 (v4.1.1 software).
Focusrite D2 EQ plug-in.
Focusrite D3 Compressor.
Waves compression, EQ, and limiter plug-ins.
RECORDING
Cambridge Audio CD player.
Denon Cassette deck.
Dynaudio BM15 monitors.
Panasonic SV3800 DAT Machine.
MOTU MTP AV SMPTE/MIDI synchroniser.
MISCELLANEOUS
CD-R burner.
External 9Gb, 4Gb and 1Gb AV hard drives.
Iomega Jaz drive.
Technics SL1210 record decks (x2).
Vestax 05 DJ Mixer.
------------------------------------------
DANIEL MILLER'S STUDIO
(avec en prime quelques notes de sa part à propos des synthés)
SYNTHS
EMS Synthi AKS suitcase synth.
"It's really handy to have a hard disk recording facility with some of these old analogue synths, like this one, because the synths don't have memories and sometimes you'll never get a killer sound back a second time. It's great to twiddle away for hours onto the hard disk and then cut and paste the parts and make up loops."
ARP 2600.
"This was used on every Depeche Mode record I worked on."
EDP Wasp.
"The Wasp is really important because for a certain generation it was the first really affordable synth."
EMS Synthi 100.
"This is one of those instruments that you would drool over in synth history books. Only about 50 were ever made. This one was part of the electronic music studio at the University Of East Anglia and they weren't asking very much for it, relatively speaking. Lately, I've been doing some remixes and it's appeared on those."
Kawai K5m.
Korg 700S.
Korg MS20.
Korg O5R/W.
"This is my one concession to multitimbral sound modules. It's a good sketch tool."
Moog Minimoog.
Novation BassStation.
Novation BassStation rack.
Oberheim Xpander.
Synton Syrinx.
"This is a brilliant monophonic synth -- in fact one of the last monosynths -- from the early '80s. It isn't a modular synth but I find it very flexible. It has three different independent filters which make it sound like nothing else."
Quasimidi Rave-O-Lution 309.
"Great name, great sound, and great real-time control. Gareth Jones (producer and remix partner) and I did an entire remix just using this and a little Yamaha SU10 sampler on his kitchen table, direct to DAT."
Roland MKS80 Super Jupiter.
Roland System 700 & System 100M modular synths.
"It took about five years for me to track the 100M down. These were partly bought as collector's items, although the 700 was used to treat some loops on the last Depeche Mode album Ultra."
RSF Kobol.
Studio Electronics Obie-Rack.
"This is effectively two Oberheim SEMs in a rack, with MIDI, and was a gift from producer/remixer François Kervorkian. He was raving about these when he worked on the last Erasure album and he said if he ever came across one of these he'd get it for me. It's got some really good sounds."
Waldorf Microwave.
RECORDING
Alesis Quadraverb multi-effects.
ATC 100 monitors.
Celestion monitors.
Dbx 160XT compressors.
Dbx gates.
Fostex RD8 ADAT.
Lexicon LXP15 multi-effects.
Lexicon LXP15 MkII multi-effects.
TAC Magnum 24-channel mixing desk.
Tannoy monitors.
TC Electronic TC2240 parametric EQ.
Zoom 9030 multi-effects.
SAMPLERS
Akai S612.
Akai S1000.
Boss SP202 Dr Sample.
Yamaha SU10.
DRUM MACHINES
Roland R8M Drum Module.
Roland TR909.
HARDWARE SEQUENCERS
Latronic Notron.
ARP analogue sequencer (x2).
Doepfer MAQ16/3.
Roland MPU101 MIDI-CV converter (x3).
COMPUTERS & SOFTWARE
Apple Macintosh A600.
Bitheadz Retro AS1 software synth.
Koblo Vibra 9000 software synth.
Opcode Vision sequencer.
Steinberg/Propellerheads Rebirth software synth.
MISCELLANEOUS
Kenton Pro4 MIDI-CV Interface.
Opcode Studio 4 Interfaces.
Peavey PC1600 hardware MIDI controller.
) que les machines. Si tu te destines un jour pour le live, c'est quand même bien d'avoir au moins quelques machines et non pas que des VST.
tiens j'ai trouvé la liste du matériel du studio MUTE et du Studio de Daniel Miller :
INSTRUMENT 1
SYNTHS/KEYBOARDS
EMS Vocoder.
Korg DRV3000.
Korg Wavestation.
Novation BassStation.
Roland JV1080 (with Vintage voice card).
SAMPLERS
Akai S1100 (with 10Mb of RAM).
Emu E6400 (with 64Mb of RAM, 16-out output expansion and digital I/O expansion boards).
RECORDING
Alesis ADAT (x2).
Alesis Quadraverb multi-effects.
Amek Hendrix 56-channel mixing desk.
ATC200 monitors.
Brüel & Kjær 4006 mic.
Dbx 120x bass enhancer.
Drawmer DS201 dual gate (x4).
Dynaudio BM15 monitors.
Eventide H3000 & H3000SE pitch-shifter/multi-effects.
Focusrite dynamics processors (x2).
Joe Meek compressor.
Korg DRV3000 multi-effects.
Lexicon 300 reverb.
Lexicon PCM70 reverb.
Lexicon PCM80 reverb.
Mutronics Mutator filter bank.
MXR pitch-shifter.
Neumann U87 mic.
Otari DTR7 DAT machine.
Otari MTR12 half-inch stereo tape recorder.
Otari MTR90 2-inch 24-track.
Panasonic SV3800 DAT machine.
Rode NT2 mic (x2).
Roland SDE330 multi-effects.
Roland SRV2000 multi-effects.
Shure SM58 mic.
Summit tube dual preamp.
Symetrix Noise Reduction.
TC Electronic Finalizer mastering compressor.
TC Electronic parametric EQ.
TC Electronic TC2290 delay.
Valley People 610 compressor.
Yamaha NS10M monitors.
Yamaha SPX90 multi-effects.
COMPUTERS & SOFTWARE
Apple Mac Quadra 610.
Atari 1040ST.
C-Lab Notator.
Steinberg Cubase.
Steinberg Recycle.
MISCELLANEOUS
Syquest drive (44Mb).
Iomega Zip drive.
Kenton Pro2 2-channel MIDI-CV converter.
Novation DrumStation.
INSTRUMENT 2
SYNTHS/KEYBOARDS
Moog Minimoog.
Moog Prodigy.
Novation BassStation rack.
Oberheim Xpander.
Oberheim Matrix 6R.
Oberheim Matrix 1000.
Roland JV1080 (with Vintage voice card).
Roland PC200 MIDI keyboard.
Roland TB303 Bassline.
RSF Kobol.
Yamaha DX7II.
Yamaha SY35.
SAMPLERS
Akai S1000 with 10Mb of RAM (x2).
Lexicon Jam Man loop recorder.
RECORDING
Alesis 3630 stereo compressor.
Alesis ADAT digital multitrack (x2).
Altec 436b compressor.
Amek EQ (x4).
Amek Einstein 60-channel mixing console.
BSS DPR402 stereo compressor.
Crane Song STC8 compressor.
Drawmer DL221 compressor.
Drawmer DS404 noise gates (x4).
Dynaudio M2 monitors.
Eventide H3000 pitch-shifter/multi-effects.
Neve 33135 mic preamp/EQ (x2).
Panasonic SV3800 DAT machine.
Roland SDE3000 multi-effects.
Studer A80 MkIII tape machine.
TL Audio 4-channel signal processor.
TL Audio EQ2 valve parametric EQ.
Yamaha NS10M monitors.
Yamaha REV7 multi-effects.
Yamaha SPX990 multi-effects.
COMPUTERS & SOFTWARE
Apple Mac Quadra 610.
Atari 1040ST.
C-Lab Notator.
Steinberg Cubase.
Steinberg Recycle.
DRUM MACHINES
Novation DrumStation
Roland TR808 drum machine
MISCELLANEOUS
Kenton Pro2 MIDI-CV converter
POST-PRODUCTION SUITE
COMPUTERS & SOFTWARE
Apple Mac 9600/350MHz (with 64Mb RAM, 2Gb internal hard drive & Iomega Zip drive).
Digidesign DPP1 Digital Pitch Processor.
Digidesign DVerb Delay.
Digidesign Pro Tools 24 (v4.1.1 software).
Focusrite D2 EQ plug-in.
Focusrite D3 Compressor.
Waves compression, EQ, and limiter plug-ins.
RECORDING
Cambridge Audio CD player.
Denon Cassette deck.
Dynaudio BM15 monitors.
Panasonic SV3800 DAT Machine.
MOTU MTP AV SMPTE/MIDI synchroniser.
MISCELLANEOUS
CD-R burner.
External 9Gb, 4Gb and 1Gb AV hard drives.
Iomega Jaz drive.
Technics SL1210 record decks (x2).
Vestax 05 DJ Mixer.
------------------------------------------
DANIEL MILLER'S STUDIO
(avec en prime quelques notes de sa part à propos des synthés)
SYNTHS
EMS Synthi AKS suitcase synth.
"It's really handy to have a hard disk recording facility with some of these old analogue synths, like this one, because the synths don't have memories and sometimes you'll never get a killer sound back a second time. It's great to twiddle away for hours onto the hard disk and then cut and paste the parts and make up loops."
ARP 2600.
"This was used on every Depeche Mode record I worked on."
EDP Wasp.
"The Wasp is really important because for a certain generation it was the first really affordable synth."
EMS Synthi 100.
"This is one of those instruments that you would drool over in synth history books. Only about 50 were ever made. This one was part of the electronic music studio at the University Of East Anglia and they weren't asking very much for it, relatively speaking. Lately, I've been doing some remixes and it's appeared on those."
Kawai K5m.
Korg 700S.
Korg MS20.
Korg O5R/W.
"This is my one concession to multitimbral sound modules. It's a good sketch tool."
Moog Minimoog.
Novation BassStation.
Novation BassStation rack.
Oberheim Xpander.
Synton Syrinx.
"This is a brilliant monophonic synth -- in fact one of the last monosynths -- from the early '80s. It isn't a modular synth but I find it very flexible. It has three different independent filters which make it sound like nothing else."
Quasimidi Rave-O-Lution 309.
"Great name, great sound, and great real-time control. Gareth Jones (producer and remix partner) and I did an entire remix just using this and a little Yamaha SU10 sampler on his kitchen table, direct to DAT."
Roland MKS80 Super Jupiter.
Roland System 700 & System 100M modular synths.
"It took about five years for me to track the 100M down. These were partly bought as collector's items, although the 700 was used to treat some loops on the last Depeche Mode album Ultra."
RSF Kobol.
Studio Electronics Obie-Rack.
"This is effectively two Oberheim SEMs in a rack, with MIDI, and was a gift from producer/remixer François Kervorkian. He was raving about these when he worked on the last Erasure album and he said if he ever came across one of these he'd get it for me. It's got some really good sounds."
Waldorf Microwave.
RECORDING
Alesis Quadraverb multi-effects.
ATC 100 monitors.
Celestion monitors.
Dbx 160XT compressors.
Dbx gates.
Fostex RD8 ADAT.
Lexicon LXP15 multi-effects.
Lexicon LXP15 MkII multi-effects.
TAC Magnum 24-channel mixing desk.
Tannoy monitors.
TC Electronic TC2240 parametric EQ.
Zoom 9030 multi-effects.
SAMPLERS
Akai S612.
Akai S1000.
Boss SP202 Dr Sample.
Yamaha SU10.
DRUM MACHINES
Roland R8M Drum Module.
Roland TR909.
HARDWARE SEQUENCERS
Latronic Notron.
ARP analogue sequencer (x2).
Doepfer MAQ16/3.
Roland MPU101 MIDI-CV converter (x3).
COMPUTERS & SOFTWARE
Apple Macintosh A600.
Bitheadz Retro AS1 software synth.
Koblo Vibra 9000 software synth.
Opcode Vision sequencer.
Steinberg/Propellerheads Rebirth software synth.
MISCELLANEOUS
Kenton Pro4 MIDI-CV Interface.
Opcode Studio 4 Interfaces.
Peavey PC1600 hardware MIDI controller.
- Serge
par Ooraseal » 03 Aoû 2008, 14:55
EMS Synthi AKS suitcase synth
ça c'est mon rêve... mais bon ça coûte 4000 euros..
pour la new wave je ne suis pas sûre que ce soir l'idéal, car au niveau des enveloppes ce n'est pas ce qu'il y a de plus approprié, à moins de rajouter un module d'enveloppe ? (je ne sais pas trop comment ça marche tout ça
) j'imagine plus l'utiliser pour faire du drone...
(Mais il me semble que les premiers sortis étaient accompagnés d'un petit clavier (un truc très minimalo en contreplaqué si je me souviens bien) mais c'est très rare je crois..)
le EMS Synthi c'est le top du top, tu sens l'électricité sous tes doigts, à peine tu touches un potar et zzziouwww ça part dans tous les sens...
en plus il est trop beau...
- Ooraseal
- 25 ans
- 237 Messages, travailleur
par Serge » 03 Aoû 2008, 15:10
Oui l'EMS était accompagné d'une sorte de petit clavier avec des touches sensitives franchement curieuses au premier abord, j'ai eu la chance qu'on m'en prête un ces dernières semaines, et j'ai donc pu enregistrer quelques nouveaux titres pour Neon Rain.
Mais sinon, pour la new wave il y a possibilité, on peut sortir toute une série de séquence en arpeggiator qui collent parfaitement pour un morceau bien synth pop.
Celebo si tu es intéressé sans pour autant avoir les moyens, EMS a sorti un VST pour PC qui tourne dans les 350€
Mais sinon, pour la new wave il y a possibilité, on peut sortir toute une série de séquence en arpeggiator qui collent parfaitement pour un morceau bien synth pop.
Celebo si tu es intéressé sans pour autant avoir les moyens, EMS a sorti un VST pour PC qui tourne dans les 350€
- Serge
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